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- NATION, Page 26"There's Been a Certain Liberation"
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- The new President talks about the deficit, taxes and Gorbachev
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- By Strobe Talbott, Michael Duffy, Dan Goodgame, George Bush
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- Still in his vice-presidential office in the White House
- West Wing, George Bush met last week with three TIME
- correspondents to explain how the budget crunch could slow down
- his "compassionate" initiatives. But Bush told Washington
- bureau chief Strobe Talbott and White House correspondents
- Michael Duffy and Dan Goodgame that he is "really looking
- forward to" spending time on diplomacy, including "the Soviet
- account." Excerpts:
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- Q. Are you more aware now of the fiscal constraints you
- face than you were before the election?
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- A. Yes. I've started going into the numbers finally, and
- they're enormous. I've been sitting down with (Budget
- Director-designate Richard) Darman, going over the realities of
- the budget that we face. There are constrained resources. Those
- who want to measure your concern or compassion purely by
- federal money may find some disappointment.
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- Q. During your campaign, you promised not only no new taxes
- but also to protect Social Security, major weapons programs,
- farm subsidies. If you don't break the tax promise, do you feel
- you may have to give a little on some of those programs?
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- A. I think we'll maybe stretch out (payment for programs
- over several years), but I'm not going to give up on them. I
- have to set priorities, though. I'd like to start moving
- forward on the main ones, even if it's not going to be the total
- funding that I'd like to bring about.
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- Q. So some of the kinder, gentler items like the child-care
- tax credit may have to wait?
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- A. They may. We're just in the process of sorting all of
- this out.
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- Q. Darman has discussed some options for raising revenue
- short of higher income taxes. Do you construe such changes as
- breaking your "no new taxes" campaign promise?
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- A. I'm going to hold the line on taxes.
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- Q. But how do you define taxes?
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- A. Go back and do a lot of research on the campaign. Go back
- and check. You know, Dukakis got on me on (the Administration's
- surcharge for) catastrophic illness, claiming that was a tax.
- I said, "I don't think it was a tax." That might be a helpful
- guide (to what I mean).
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- Q. So things like means testing of Social Security benefits
- for wealthy people might not be a tax?
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- A. I'm not prepared to say what we're going to do or not
- going to do. We'll negotiate with Congress. Maybe some members
- would want to take the lead on this, but I haven't seen one. I
- don't intend to take the lead on that.
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- Q. A couple of truisms have been established about George
- Bush since the election. One is that you've been liberated,
- that you're no longer the shackled George Bush of the vice
- presidency who was unable to speak his mind. Is that correct?
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- A. Yes . . . There's been a certain liberation. I like to
- think there has been, maybe, an emergence on my part and,
- maybe, a little more perception on (the press's part). You know,
- when you're calling the shots, it's easier. If I say something
- (as Vice President) that just hurts me, that's one thing. If I
- say something that might hurt the President, I would be very
- much concerned about that. That made me very cautious, because
- I didn't want to do that when I was Vice President.
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- I think we would all agree I took a lot of shots for not
- speaking up in Cabinet meetings, for example. Some erroneously
- concluded that meant I didn't have any ideas or I didn't have
- any opinions.
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- Q. Many also see the re-emergence of George Bush as a
- card-carrying moderate. Is there any truth to that label?
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- A. No. When Congress sees my budget, they wouldn't accuse me
- of such a thing.
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- Q. Is there anything you plan to do to make the vice
- presidency less constraining for Dan Quayle?
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- A. No, the same kind of constraint (long pause) and the same
- kind of fulfillment.
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- Q. How are you going to meet the Gorbachev challenge
- personally?
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- A. I don't view it as the Gorbachev challenge. I think if we
- make the mistake of assessing our relationship with the Soviet
- Union in terms of a personality, we'll live to regret it. You've
- got to make a broader assessment of Soviet intention that
- transcends any individual. I don't think you can shape the
- foreign policy of the United States based on the leader of the
- moment.
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- What I will do is to prudently review everything as I come
- to an opinion as to where we ought to be going. If Gorbachev
- remains as strong and in charge and as powerful as he is today, I
- think there's a tremendous opportunity. We have very good people
- to do it, experienced people. There's not going to be any
- foot-dragging mode.
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- I had an opportunity to speak to (Gorbachev) privately on
- his last visit. And I made clear in the meeting with President
- Reagan that this mode that some think is a little excessively
- cautious is a good thing for U.S.-Soviet relations. I want to be
- able to deliver on what I propose, and I want to propose
- something that's prudent.
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